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jennylafleur
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Does this robe/wrap thingie actually have a name... I mean besides "pretty"? :>


I was thinking it might be fun to make one, as a way to change-up my chemise a la reine, but am having a hard time finding examples/info/terms... help! *bats eyelashes*

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girliegirl32786 From: girliegirl32786 Date: August 15th, 2009 06:09 pm (UTC) (link)
I have no idea what it is called, but I must say, great minds think alike; I've been wanting one these forever! ;)

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jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 15th, 2009 11:27 pm (UTC) (link)
Actually that icon you are sporting above is what got me thinking "ooh pretty" in the first place. So it's all your fault, I hope you are happy!

And you totally need one!
girliegirl32786 From: girliegirl32786 Date: August 16th, 2009 10:42 pm (UTC) (link)
Hehe! Blame the icon, not me! ;)
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 19th, 2009 02:24 pm (UTC) (link)
*ahem* And who put up the icon for weak costumers suffering from CADD to see. Hummmm?

You are an evil woman. And you know it!
girliegirl32786 From: girliegirl32786 Date: August 21st, 2009 01:01 am (UTC) (link)
I admit it! I had it all planned. ;)
sarahbellem From: sarahbellem Date: August 15th, 2009 06:09 pm (UTC) (link)
Looks Turkish to me. And by "Turkish", I mean "really, really loosely based on something vaguely Middle Eastern, kinda."
trystbat From: trystbat Date: August 15th, 2009 06:10 pm (UTC) (link)
ithilwyn just called it an open robe & made a lovely one to go over her chemise gown. I don't know anything more tho.
sarahbellem From: sarahbellem Date: August 15th, 2009 06:19 pm (UTC) (link)
I think that's based on a different garment than the style Jenny Rose's referencing. The open robe that Teresa made is based on one in PoF Cut of Women's Clothes (though there's a similar one in the 18th c. PoF that I've wanted to do for, like, ever), if I'm not mistaken... Slightly different, maybe a cousin, tho.

I always assumed the cross-over short sleeves robe thing was kind of an off shoot style on the robe a la turque (bec. of the short sleeved gown over a long sleeved gown), but not being super into 18th c. fashion, I could be talking out of my ass. :)

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trystbat From: trystbat Date: August 15th, 2009 06:28 pm (UTC) (link)
I was just thinking that Jenny's pix were closer to Teresa's robe than, say, a robe a la turque bec. Kendra's turque didn't have anything to do w/a chemise gown. But I don't know diddly about this thing! Teresa's is the only reproduction I've seen kinda like it (& I love how it's another way of getting use from one gown, of course :-).
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 15th, 2009 07:41 pm (UTC) (link)
Yeah I think we’re looking at two different styles too. The style in the Vigee-le Brun portrait is short-sleeved and crossed over in front, while the other is almost like a robe with a belt with three-quarter sleeves. I actually like them both (I used the PoF version for my bee dress ). Without having done much research, I suspect a connection between the wrap-over robe and the robe a la turque too. It makes sense.

I'm pretty sure the robe in PoF and the one in Cut of Women's Clothes is the same garment, they are both from the V&A. I'm thinking perhaps the open robe is either an evolution or variation of the wrap-over style, similar for sure but slightly different in cut and styling.
sarahbellem From: sarahbellem Date: August 15th, 2009 08:05 pm (UTC) (link)
I'm thinking perhaps the open robe is either an evolution or variation of the wrap-over style, similar for sure but slightly different in cut and styling.

That's pretty much what I was thinking. And reading heileen's take on it, I feel more secure with my gut feeling that its a relation to the robe a la turque... It might even *be* a robe a la turque, considering all the crazy permutations of a single style during this time with very little attempt to differentiate between the various stylistic changes from gown to gown. It seemed like many styles were just called by their most distinguishing factor (thinking about all the variations of the anglaise, for instance, and in reality it boils down to being a fitted bodice and that's about it). So if it looks "Turkish", it might just be called a robe a la turque, end of story. ;)
heileen From: heileen Date: August 15th, 2009 06:14 pm (UTC) (link)
I call it either a robe à la turque, or a lévite (sans collar). It's between the two : the turque is less loose, and the lévite, well..., it has a collar :)
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 15th, 2009 11:25 pm (UTC) (link)
Cool - thanks!
demode From: demode Date: August 15th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC) (link)
I think it's a later, tweaked version of the robe a turque, definitely.
demode From: demode Date: August 15th, 2009 09:05 pm (UTC) (link)
Robe a LA turque. I can has typing skillz?
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 15th, 2009 11:24 pm (UTC) (link)
That is what I was thinking - cool! It's like a later lounge-around-the-chateau version of the robe a la turque... kinda fun. Makes me wish all the more I hadn't missed your class this year at CC though. Will you teach it again sometime?

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demode From: demode Date: August 18th, 2009 05:19 pm (UTC) (link)
I'm sure I will, and hopefully in the future will have done even MORE research so will have even more concrete theories!
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 19th, 2009 02:25 pm (UTC) (link)
Yay!
gilded_garb From: gilded_garb Date: August 15th, 2009 10:29 pm (UTC) (link)
I have no idea what it's called but I say MAKE ONE! Because it's pretty... :o)
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 15th, 2009 11:22 pm (UTC) (link)
Aye, aye captain! *grin* You know you need one too!
fancyfrocks From: fancyfrocks Date: August 16th, 2009 12:26 am (UTC) (link)
I don't know either, but it's pretty and you should make it :)
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 19th, 2009 02:25 pm (UTC) (link)
Thanks! I think I shall! :>
From: ext_141672 Date: August 16th, 2009 11:09 am (UTC) (link)
Oooooh, we neeeedz! Definetley a future project - doesn't seen too hard either! Never seen one of these - thanks! =D
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 19th, 2009 02:27 pm (UTC) (link)
I KNOW! I don't think it will be too bad, especially having already made the Arnold robe. But I've learned to be cautious of the simple looking project - they are sometimes the worst! :>
wieselkind From: wieselkind Date: August 16th, 2009 05:26 pm (UTC) (link)
This is really nice, the late 18th C is really starting to grow on me.
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 19th, 2009 02:28 pm (UTC) (link)
Good - a convert! I love the late 18th century, one of my most favorite styles.
fiofiorina From: fiofiorina Date: August 18th, 2009 08:53 am (UTC) (link)
I'd call it a robe à la Turque, a Levite I understand as less fitted.

but "pretty" does sound quite nice too :-)
jennylafleur From: jennylafleur Date: August 19th, 2009 02:29 pm (UTC) (link)
"Pretty" always works! :> Thanks!
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